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Dear Friends,

A part of my mails has not reached me. Its the
IPS server problem again.
The answers that have been given to Simon have
not shed any light on what he probably wants to know.
A person is coming across a word for the first
time. He probably is not conversant with Hinduism.
Under the circumstances, he will not need the
etymology of the word.
Some basic knowledge about what it is , is more
relevent and required. And it has to be in simple
language:-)
Sorry, friends.
Lets try again.

Regards

Jayabarathi

At 02:47 PM 9/10/99 +0800, you wrote:
>
>>From: "DrK.Loganathan"
>>Subject: [agamicpsychology] Re: [agathiyar] agamic ?
>>
>>
>>Dear Mani,
>>Thank-you very much. While what you say is true and most dictionaries carry
>>that meaning and in SEA countires it has the meaning of religion and
>>religious scripture, let me explain the peculiar way in which I use the
>>term. I take the root to be Ta.aak-- meaning 'to make" 'unfold" etc. It
>>occurs in this sense in Sumerian Su. ag-- etc. So by 'agamam' I mean 'an
>>unfoldment' ' a disclosure" etc. I take dreams as a good example of such as
>>unfoldment-- we have NO CONTROL over the occurence and and nature of dreams.
>>Now I also think that this is the original meaning but confined to sphere of
>>religious scriptures and because of which it has come to mean religious
>>scriptures. More broadly I mean by agama a TEXT also in an extnded sense.
>>Within the Hermeneutic galance WHATEVER we see and analyse are TEXTS, agamas
>>-- no brute facts in Hermeneutic Science. Not only dreams but everything
>>that reanches understanding is a TEXT an agamam. Even the stone there , the
>>tree in front of the house, the letter I read this morning, the conversation
>>I just overheard etc etc are TEXTS, agamas. The Psychology that begins with
>>TEXTS as that which it studies is Agamic Psychology.
>>
>>Now I word about Tantra. I think it is a Translation of the tamil word
>>'nuul' but mistakenly taken as thread string etc. .The original meaning of
>>Nuul in Tamil is perhaps related 'nuval' to say something, or clarify
>>something. "nuul' I think originally meant "that which clarifies" .The
>>translation of nuul as tantra must be a very late phenomena. Many sanskrit
>>words have their origin along these lines that dictionaries don't
accomodate.
>>
>>Loga
>>
>>
>>
>>At 09:57 PM 09-09-99 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>What does exactly means the word "agamic" ?
>>>
>>>Agama is a Sanskrit word. You can look up the meanings of a
>>>Sanskrit word in the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon at:
>>>
>>>http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/mwd_search.html
>>>
>>>>>From that lexicon, the appropriate meanings are:
>>>
>>>a traditional doctrine or precept, collection of such doctrines, sacred
work
>>>anything handed down and fixed by tradition;
>>>Tantra or work inculcating the mystical worship of Siva and Sakti.
>>>
>>>It also has the following other meanings.
>>>
>>>reading;
>>>acquisition of knowledge, science
>>>
>>>Mani M. Manivannan
>>>Newark, CA, USA.
>>>
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