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Subject: If You Can't Bring Mohamad To the Mountain .............
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:55:12 +1100
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From: "Bala Pillai"
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Anbulla Thamil Innaiya Nanbargale,
There is a saying "if you can't bring Mohamad to the mountain, bring the
mountain to Mohamad". Well today, we have one better. If you can't bring
Coimbatore Giri to Sydney, bring Sydney to Coimbatore to Sydney.
And below, unedited, is how I did it. He is now a Tamildom champion,
immediately finding the light to direct 13 of his under-utilised staff and
about 130 artists in Coimbatore into the Tamildom Outside initiative. Enjoy.
Even better - understand and apply and you'll enjoy even more.
anbudan../bala
bala@...
sydney, australia
vv_giri (12:28:04 AM): hi
bala2pillai (12:28:22 AM): sollunga giri
vv_giri (12:28:37 AM): vanakkam
vv_giri (12:28:54 AM): Got my message as reg the ISDN facilty
bala2pillai (12:29:08 AM): vaanga giri..havn't seen my email yet - will do
later.
bala2pillai (12:29:18 AM): so tell me what can u do of the TPCC spec..
bala2pillai (12:29:26 AM): what you are best at there.
bala2pillai (12:29:36 AM): which items
vv_giri (12:29:37 AM): i had sent in ur messenger off line.
bala2pillai (12:29:39 AM): parts of items
vv_giri (12:29:46 AM): can i just open my folder.
bala2pillai (12:29:52 AM): pls
vv_giri (12:30:33 AM): set up the prototype hard-disk
2)have YIM support in Tamil
3)Organise the marketing/customer support materials
4)organise the help desk
5)tie up the strategic alliances
6)Organise the TV marketing under the Tamil.Com brand name
(the computers will say "powered by Tamil.Com")
7) decide on the minimum hardware specs
8) determine credible suppliers of this hardware
9) establish relationships with pre-selected distributors of Tamil.Com
around TN
the benefits we are persuading upon people are...
a) Build relationships with Tamils all over the world and see success.
b) Tamil.Com makes using Tamil Computing as easy as a-aa-e-ee.
c) Convert your mind and relationships for money with Tamil.Com
vv_giri (12:30:49 AM): this is what the 9 points talk about is it bala.
bala2pillai (12:30:58 AM): yes
vv_giri (12:32:20 AM): Bala, can u pl tell me what is YIM Support in Tamil.
bala2pillai (12:32:45 AM): YIM = Yahoo Instant Messenger.
bala2pillai (12:32:58 AM): You and I are *now* YIMing.
vv_giri (12:33:15 AM): Yes i did understood that, but in Tamil means,
bala2pillai (12:33:21 AM): யஇரஒர யநயாரண யஉயஙயகரஙுரஆரக்ஷ் ரஸ்ரீயிரஓரயிரக
யதரயிரஷயிரக யரேரயரேஜரண.
bala2pillai (12:33:35 AM): யஉரஇயகரரஆரக்ஷ் ரரஜயிரயதயா?
vv_giri (12:33:50 AM): No i m not able to understand anything typed,
bala2pillai (12:34:06 AM): What? You don't undertand Tamil?
bala2pillai (12:34:10 AM): :-)
vv_giri (12:34:32 AM): should i use some spl software, since it is coming
in encrypted format
bala2pillai (12:34:43 AM): Tamilnadu doesn't have Tamil ASCII?
bala2pillai (12:35:27 AM): well format is like the same level of standard as
ASCII (default) in Tamil?
bala2pillai (12:35:30 AM): in Tamilnadu?
vv_giri (12:35:31 AM): யஇரஒர யநயாரண யஉயஙயகரஙுரஆரக்ஷ் ரஸ்ரீயிரஓரயிரக யதரயிரஷயிரக
யரேரயரேஜரண.this is what i got
bala2pillai (12:35:58 AM): Yes..I can read that..you have sent back what I
sent.
vv_giri (12:36:21 AM): what should i do bala for this.
bala2pillai (12:36:27 AM): and I wrote in Tamil script "ippa naan ungalukku
thamilil pasuraen"
bala2pillai (12:36:33 AM): What????
bala2pillai (12:36:45 AM): you mean in Tamilnadu they ask this question??
vv_giri (12:36:54 AM): No!!!!!
bala2pillai (12:37:07 AM): are you joking...? is this Shakespeare land that
I am writing to or is it THAMIL naadu?
bala2pillai (12:37:11 AM): please???
bala2pillai (12:37:13 AM): tell me?
bala2pillai (12:37:18 AM): am I dreaming?
bala2pillai (12:37:27 AM): :-):-):-)
vv_giri (12:37:36 AM): should i have any software to understand that script,
ma
bala2pillai (12:37:37 AM): Just joking...:-)
bala2pillai (12:37:53 AM): half-joking to send the point to yo.
bala2pillai (12:38:09 AM): do you need any software to read English?
vv_giri (12:38:24 AM): No, but i m confused
bala2pillai (12:38:27 AM): how come they come standard with English?
bala2pillai (12:38:57 AM): well you better start understanding why you can
exchange writings in English with anyone ubiquitously...
bala2pillai (12:39:07 AM): (means "without thinking about it")
bala2pillai (12:39:17 AM): and you can't do that in Tamil...
bala2pillai (12:39:26 AM): and therefore what the barriers are...
bala2pillai (12:39:35 AM): and therefore what the solution is...
bala2pillai (12:39:47 AM): and therefore what the solution is when we do it.
bala2pillai (12:40:05 AM): and therefore the opportunity when we do it.
vv_giri (12:40:55 AM): i m getting across
bala2pillai (12:41:05 AM): do you think the English world would have gotten
lots wealthier because they can converse in English without thinking about
it?
bala2pillai (12:41:41 AM): people from all over the world can YIM and email
each other all kinds of business/social conversations?
bala2pillai (12:41:51 AM): would that make them wealthier or poorer?
bala2pillai (12:42:07 AM): would that make them do more or less tranactions?
bala2pillai (12:42:23 AM): would that make them understand each other more
or less accurately?
bala2pillai (12:42:30 AM): would that make them learn faster or slower?
bala2pillai (12:42:46 AM): would that enable them to coordinate more or less
people?
vv_giri (12:42:52 AM): One of my closest friend Balaji , who did his B.S
Engg, in University of Ballarat,victoria is near me. Sorry i m diverting u r
mind, i ve just intro about u to him, so he came down
bala2pillai (12:43:08 AM): I see..super :-)
bala2pillai (12:43:15 AM): Hi Balaji..how are you?
vv_giri (12:43:28 AM): fine , nice talking tou.
bala2pillai (12:43:35 AM): Balaji how old are you?
bala2pillai (12:43:44 AM): when did u graduate?
bala2pillai (12:43:57 AM): :-)
bala2pillai (12:44:11 AM): ;)
vv_giri (12:44:17 AM): same as giri, we both were class mates and friends
from Kinder garden, but for the time period i was in australia, 95 97
bala2pillai (12:44:29 AM): I see..cool :-)
bala2pillai (12:44:50 AM): Are you quite conversant with computers and
communications?
vv_giri (12:44:59 AM): let us go back to our agenda sir
vv_giri (12:45:04 AM): Yes sir
bala2pillai (12:45:05 AM): ok good Giri :-)
bala2pillai (12:45:16 AM): Giri..see the questions I asked you above..
bala2pillai (12:45:23 AM): think for a minute about them.
bala2pillai (12:45:28 AM): and answer me pls
vv_giri (12:45:31 AM): Balaji is near me and he will be participating in all
my answeres bala.
bala2pillai (12:45:36 AM): super :-)
bala2pillai (12:45:44 AM): great Balaji...
bala2pillai (12:45:50 AM): help Giri with the answers :-)
bala2pillai (12:46:02 AM): let's pull our best brains for this..
bala2pillai (12:46:13 AM): and never mind if we make mistakes..
bala2pillai (12:46:40 AM): what matters is we make them quick and learn and
move on and repeat that millions of times in our lives.
bala2pillai (12:47:16 AM): so Giri..see my questions above just before
Balaji came in.
bala2pillai (12:47:23 AM): what do you say?
vv_giri (12:47:40 AM): u have really made me to think,
bala2pillai (12:47:47 AM): that is it.
bala2pillai (12:47:53 AM): That is why I asked you to get onto YIM
vv_giri (12:47:58 AM): it makes a world of difference in all facets of the
culture itself bala.
bala2pillai (12:48:06 AM): and this is just the beginning.
bala2pillai (12:48:19 AM): I know the huge huge difference it will make
bala2pillai (12:48:32 AM): but I also know the huge huge huge more that I
don't know of...
bala2pillai (12:48:39 AM): once we bring the Tamil artists in..
bala2pillai (12:48:44 AM): the Tamil wordsmiths in..
bala2pillai (12:48:53 AM): and after a long time...
bala2pillai (12:49:02 AM): we unleash this weopon onto them..
vv_giri (12:49:07 AM): This medium has to be made as vernacular as it is
possible such that the commonest of the tamil guy starts looking at this as
a very effective medium,a slate and board.
bala2pillai (12:49:35 AM): Yes - I know all the components.
bala2pillai (12:50:15 AM): exactly..and we have places where people can meet
like minds in Tamil
bala2pillai (12:50:31 AM): just within Tamilnadu it will cause a revolution.
bala2pillai (12:50:38 AM): very very good chance of that.
vv_giri (12:50:39 AM): so , u like at looking from the tech side - the
script, the o/s,the interface,the tutorial,the faq etc,
bala2pillai (12:50:53 AM): the art tech side.
vv_giri (12:51:17 AM): pl do put some more flesh on art tech bala.
bala2pillai (12:51:19 AM): very important you think of the art tech side.
bala2pillai (12:52:01 AM): do you know why we can't use this in Tamil now
when we could use it in English since 1965?
bala2pillai (12:52:18 AM): yes for 35 years we can email each other in
English.
bala2pillai (12:52:26 AM): yet even today we cannot do it in Tamil.
bala2pillai (12:52:29 AM): do you know why?
vv_giri (12:52:36 AM): sorry
bala2pillai (12:52:50 AM): the reason is Tamils are too much into
themselves..
vv_giri (12:52:55 AM): throw some more light bala
bala2pillai (12:53:01 AM): Tamil techs think they are too too smart.
vv_giri (12:53:12 AM): i do agree
bala2pillai (12:53:13 AM): They are too too tunnel-visioned.
bala2pillai (12:53:20 AM): too too narrow.
bala2pillai (12:53:33 AM): cannot see the world from the sky - the big
picture
vv_giri (12:53:41 AM): yes taht is agreeable, since most of them are
answereable to some others.
bala2pillai (12:53:47 AM): yes.
vv_giri (12:54:05 AM): so risk taking has become less.
bala2pillai (12:54:09 AM): ok..so that is why we must get non tech people
involved in this project
bala2pillai (12:54:12 AM): Yes.
vv_giri (12:54:23 AM): go ahead,
bala2pillai (12:54:53 AM): Artists is the word for wordsmiths, writers,
poets, etc
bala2pillai (12:55:03 AM): do you get what I mean by Artists?
bala2pillai (12:55:12 AM): opposite of scientists.
vv_giri (12:55:14 AM): we( satish and myself had meet a group of tamil
writers- a forum nearly 110)
vv_giri (12:55:33 AM): we were contemplating to use them, now i have a
chance.
bala2pillai (12:55:43 AM): ok..that's good..what we need is the most
creative crazy people you can find
bala2pillai (12:55:54 AM): most probably very young people
vv_giri (12:55:56 AM): go ahead.
bala2pillai (12:56:10 AM): whose head is not stuck in the rut as older
people
vv_giri (12:56:22 AM): fine
bala2pillai (12:56:23 AM): who are boisterous, roudy, rebellious
bala2pillai (12:56:33 AM): who think anything is possible
bala2pillai (12:56:51 AM): we need them to be the bosses of the techs
vv_giri (12:57:04 AM): we do have already them enrolled in kavithigal.
bala2pillai (12:57:12 AM): so they will say look this is not as easy as
YIM...
bala2pillai (12:57:15 AM): do it again.
bala2pillai (12:57:25 AM): do you get what I mean?
vv_giri (12:57:29 AM): no
bala2pillai (12:57:37 AM): phew :-)
bala2pillai (12:57:42 AM): ok...
vv_giri (12:57:57 AM): the way u explained all about yim,is it
bala2pillai (12:58:01 AM): how easy is it for you to download and talk in
YIM to me?
vv_giri (12:58:08 AM): ya
bala2pillai (12:58:33 AM): ok - take it from me..that is because lots and
lots of thought and work went to make it simple.
bala2pillai (12:58:41 AM): and it was done by artists.
bala2pillai (12:58:47 AM): not tech people
bala2pillai (12:58:51 AM): the bosses were artists.
bala2pillai (12:59:09 AM): the artists insisted that people should not have
to read manuals to use YIM
vv_giri (12:59:40 AM): go ahead
bala2pillai (12:59:43 AM): after many tries the techs got it right as
instructed by the artists.
vv_giri (12:59:56 AM): ya
bala2pillai (01:00:04 AM): if you let the techs be the boss, they won't see
it.
bala2pillai (01:00:26 AM): the techs will think "what is the problem in
following one page of instructions"
vv_giri (01:00:41 AM): very correct.
bala2pillai (01:00:41 AM): (although they themselves won't)
bala2pillai (01:00:53 AM): if there was one page of instructions to use
YIM..
bala2pillai (01:01:01 AM): YIM won't be as popular now.
vv_giri (01:01:16 AM): yes.
bala2pillai (01:01:31 AM): so you must design the organisation...
bala2pillai (01:01:52 AM): so it continuosly addresses this mindset weakness
of techs...
bala2pillai (01:02:06 AM): by us telling the artists what we want done..
bala2pillai (01:02:13 AM): and the artists work with the techs..
vv_giri (01:02:25 AM): little more hand holding bala.
bala2pillai (01:02:53 AM): and make sure that every step of the way -- every
part -- the Tamil in the house is foremost.
bala2pillai (01:03:14 AM): and at the end of the day, you have people being
able to YIM in Tamil.
vv_giri (01:03:25 AM): Wish i did understood properly, u look at me in
putting my mind in drwaing out a proper spec, in this regard.
bala2pillai (01:03:58 AM): better than you drawing a spec is to team with
someone who is like a sculptor.
bala2pillai (01:04:08 AM): does a sculptor draw a spec before he carves?
bala2pillai (01:04:12 AM): sitpi.
vv_giri (01:04:27 AM): that is correct, aboslutely
bala2pillai (01:04:40 AM): the act of putting a spec itself kills creativity
:-)
bala2pillai (01:04:55 AM): because artists are not good at specs :-)
bala2pillai (01:05:05 AM): (the kind of specs you are thinking of)
bala2pillai (01:05:17 AM): they are not little detail analytical
bala2pillai (01:05:23 AM): they are whole oriented
vv_giri (01:05:33 AM): that is it bala, i got it. I will be a sounding board
or a bridge between the artisit and the techie. fine.
bala2pillai (01:05:39 AM): yes they care about details of the whole too..
bala2pillai (01:05:48 AM): but in a totally different fluid way.
bala2pillai (01:05:57 AM): ok -- gooood!! L0(
bala2pillai (01:06:04 AM): goood I mean :-)
bala2pillai (01:06:21 AM): I think Kovai is a good location for this :-)
bala2pillai (01:07:15 AM): so you can put up broad what has to be dones.
vv_giri (01:07:20 AM): i will talk with those guys and i am thinking of
talking to few students tamil clubs throw open a debate on this get some
collective thinking on this, shall i go ahead.
bala2pillai (01:07:33 AM): Fantastic!
bala2pillai (01:07:38 AM): Bring the young
bala2pillai (01:07:45 AM): Get them excited
bala2pillai (01:07:51 AM): show them the excitment
vv_giri (01:08:23 AM): i shall start this process from THURSDAY. I will
report every day happening either off line or on line .
bala2pillai (01:08:32 AM): paint a world where Tamils around the world like
thousands of Giris and Balas converse and connect their minds in Tamil
bala2pillai (01:08:43 AM): ok great :-)
bala2pillai (01:09:10 AM): we have a chance to reverse many years of
decline.
vv_giri (01:09:11 AM): Pl do notmistake me in asking how my " tech " team
is to participate in this affair.
bala2pillai (01:09:20 AM): no go on.
vv_giri (01:09:25 AM): i m thrilled.
bala2pillai (01:09:27 AM): your tech team is needed.
bala2pillai (01:09:49 AM): but they must be led in a totally different
direction that they are used to..
bala2pillai (01:09:57 AM): some of them may still do the same things..
vv_giri (01:10:07 AM): Is it what ever the artisit are to tell, shalli make
my tech guys translate bala.
bala2pillai (01:10:13 AM): but it has to fit into the artist led direction.
vv_giri (01:10:35 AM): That is the first pre requisite
bala2pillai (01:10:46 AM): ok..I won't deal with your tech team much
initially..
bala2pillai (01:10:54 AM): what you need to do is...
bala2pillai (01:11:04 AM): 1) you and the artists figure out how to do
this..
bala2pillai (01:11:24 AM): 2) and then you and the artists tell/discuss with
the techs what has to be done
bala2pillai (01:11:31 AM): 3) you ask the techs to echo that
bala2pillai (01:11:46 AM): 4) and get fresh techs to hear the techs
bala2pillai (01:12:00 AM): and then tell the artists what they heard
bala2pillai (01:12:16 AM): 5) the artists will confirm is that what they
wanted or not
bala2pillai (01:12:34 AM): 6) they will realise there was some
miscommunication
vv_giri (01:12:54 AM): go ahead
bala2pillai (01:13:06 AM): 7) the techs will understand better
bala2pillai (01:13:13 AM): and they do it.
bala2pillai (01:13:28 AM): and the artists are constantly involved in the
process
bala2pillai (01:13:33 AM): quality control etc
vv_giri (01:13:35 AM): a fantastic way of quality control.
bala2pillai (01:13:39 AM): acceptance testing
bala2pillai (01:13:41 AM): yes.
vv_giri (01:13:53 AM): fine.
bala2pillai (01:14:28 AM): good :-)
vv_giri (01:14:36 AM): has any work already been started in our group as
regards this.
bala2pillai (01:14:48 AM): Lots and lots of work has
bala2pillai (01:14:56 AM): but I am handing over to you the last bit.
vv_giri (01:15:18 AM): yes bala, i m asking about the YIM in Tamil.
bala2pillai (01:15:18 AM): first talk to the artists..
vv_giri (01:15:33 AM): i will
bala2pillai (01:15:34 AM): ok..first talk to the artists..without any
preconceptions.
vv_giri (01:15:50 AM): done.
bala2pillai (01:15:52 AM): demo you using YIM to them
bala2pillai (01:16:06 AM): use a whiteboard or the sand and draw diagrams..
bala2pillai (01:16:17 AM): bring a globe in..
bala2pillai (01:16:29 AM): the three-dimensional world
vv_giri (01:16:31 AM): fantastic.
bala2pillai (01:16:43 AM): say this is what we are creating..
bala2pillai (01:16:50 AM): and that take them to another place...
bala2pillai (01:17:04 AM): ask someone to YIM another in Tamil
bala2pillai (01:17:09 AM): and have them hear the fights
bala2pillai (01:17:13 AM): and troubles
bala2pillai (01:17:22 AM): and then 3) ask them what to do?
vv_giri (01:17:32 AM): shall i put x to be Universe
bala2pillai (01:17:34 AM): 4) tell them don't tell me now...
vv_giri (01:17:38 AM): y to be tamil
bala2pillai (01:17:40 AM): go back and come back with your ideas
bala2pillai (01:17:41 AM): yes.
vv_giri (01:17:55 AM): z to be
bala2pillai (01:18:03 AM): when they sleep they will get ideas
bala2pillai (01:18:14 AM): artists work best in quiet times
bala2pillai (01:18:17 AM): in open spaces
bala2pillai (01:18:21 AM): against the stars
bala2pillai (01:18:46 AM): and their brains give birth to new ideas when
they wake up :-)
bala2pillai (01:19:01 AM): they will love it :-)
vv_giri (01:19:13 AM): wah
bala2pillai (01:19:17 AM): Put juice back into the lives of artists again
vv_giri (01:19:22 AM): great
bala2pillai (01:19:33 AM): we killed them -- let us bring that soul back
bala2pillai (01:19:47 AM): we killed the temple sculptor
bala2pillai (01:20:01 AM): the original guy
bala2pillai (01:20:17 AM): from adoring him he went to the background..
bala2pillai (01:20:23 AM): and we too suffered..
bala2pillai (01:20:31 AM): time to reverse all that..
bala2pillai (01:20:46 AM): this is the new world, we need them again lots
and lots.
bala2pillai (01:20:55 AM): because this is not a once off thing..
bala2pillai (01:21:04 AM): we must continuosly create.
bala2pillai (01:21:17 AM): layer upon layer
bala2pillai (01:21:26 AM): destroy and create, destroy and create
vv_giri (01:21:43 AM): yes bala i mlistening.
bala2pillai (01:21:48 AM): ok that is it.
bala2pillai (01:22:03 AM): Giri...you get back to me after doing above..
vv_giri (01:22:13 AM): i m taking it to the next level bala.
bala2pillai (01:22:16 AM): send an email to erumbugal/me
bala2pillai (01:22:20 AM): Great :-)
bala2pillai (01:22:26 AM): and good that you have Balaji there...
vv_giri (01:22:50 AM): Shall we again chat to specifics and feed back
onEither Thursday or friday
bala2pillai (01:23:02 AM): Yes..sounds good.
bala2pillai (01:23:10 AM): Thurs or Fri is good.
bala2pillai (01:23:31 AM): and email me/YIM me before if you want...
vv_giri (01:23:34 AM): Yes Balaji has been siting watching all these
hapening, i ve explained and now he has become little more educated.
vv_giri (01:23:43 AM): i will
bala2pillai (01:23:57 AM): you are both engineers...
bala2pillai (01:24:03 AM): let me throw this at you...
vv_giri (01:24:05 AM): Yes.
bala2pillai (01:24:14 AM): Force = mass times acceleration right?
vv_giri (01:24:17 AM): He is a metallurgist
vv_giri (01:24:30 AM): but our m=is too light.
bala2pillai (01:24:39 AM): hehehe :-)
bala2pillai (01:24:51 AM): okay imagine that the neurons in our head...
vv_giri (01:24:57 AM): joking bala, i understood,
bala2pillai (01:25:03 AM): are colliding lots more...
bala2pillai (01:25:17 AM): because they are connected lot lots more
vv_giri (01:25:20 AM): our combined velocity will be in the lines as
predicited by you.
vv_giri (01:25:25 AM): this is a word
bala2pillai (01:25:26 AM): there you are :-)
bala2pillai (01:25:59 AM): ok I've got to go now Giri..
bala2pillai (01:26:05 AM): talk to you later in the week :-)
vv_giri (01:26:21 AM): Thank you bala, im educated so much.
bala2pillai (01:26:25 AM): phone Sultan in Chennai -- get to know him
vv_giri (01:26:36 AM): Bye and good night(good day)
bala2pillai (01:26:36 AM): he is part of our team.
bala2pillai (01:26:43 AM): take care :-)
vv_giri (01:26:55 AM): phone num.I can get in erumbugal
bala2pillai (01:27:04 AM): yes..pls do that :-)
vv_giri (01:27:14 AM): see u.
bala2pillai (01:27:25 AM): Bye :-)
vv_giri (01:27:32 AM): ;)Bye
