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Subject: Tamildom: Career-Life Counselling - Training SC Anbu
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Tamildom: Career-Life Counselling - Training SC Anbu
anbudan_anbu (02:21:46 PM): _/\_ bala
bala2pillai (02:22:18 PM): Vaanga..vaanga Anbu :-)
bala2pillai (02:22:31 PM): Eppidi vaalkai oaduthu?
anbudan_anbu (02:23:17 PM): life totally changed
anbudan_anbu (02:23:26 PM): my project ended suddenly
bala2pillai (02:23:39 PM): I see..oh.
anbudan_anbu (02:23:41 PM): yesterday GE made some job cuts
anbudan_anbu (02:23:55 PM): my whole team was asked to change projects
bala2pillai (02:24:10 PM): ok..so a diff project for you or?
anbudan_anbu (02:24:17 PM): I'm planning to go to India as earlier planned ,
but not for vacation
bala2pillai (02:24:30 PM): for what then? :-)
anbudan_anbu (02:24:40 PM): might be getting alternate project at diff.
project
anbudan_anbu (02:24:52 PM): at diffrent location in US
bala2pillai (02:25:12 PM): I see..ok...so u are returning to homebase during
transition?
anbudan_anbu (02:25:24 PM): yes
bala2pillai (02:25:34 PM): ok..well..look at the bright side.
anbudan_anbu (02:25:43 PM): my work will be little slumped related to Linux
anbudan_anbu (02:26:04 PM): as I've to sell things , move .....settle
things
bala2pillai (02:26:17 PM): 1) u know how volatile working for an employer is
like (there *are* risks working for someone and they are increasing)
anbudan_anbu (02:26:54 PM): which everyone is aware of :-)
bala2pillai (02:27:08 PM): 2) you get to be in India for a while and while
there we will meet and u will hear the alternative to working for someone
:-)
bala2pillai (02:27:14 PM): Not enough :-)
bala2pillai (02:27:24 PM): They think they are aware..
bala2pillai (02:27:31 PM): if they were *really* aware...
bala2pillai (02:27:40 PM): they would be making greater efforts..
bala2pillai (02:28:04 PM): to work out, think about alternatives.
bala2pillai (02:28:16 PM): deconstruct their mental block more :-)
bala2pillai (02:28:29 PM): the alternative is still a mental block to most.
bala2pillai (02:28:53 PM): generations of a default "zero-risk" state.
bala2pillai (02:29:03 PM): which is an illusion.
anbudan_anbu (02:29:07 PM): risk plays an important role
anbudan_anbu (02:29:16 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (02:29:25 PM): that's it..they think that working for someone
has zero risk..
bala2pillai (02:29:36 PM): and working for themselves has untold risk..
bala2pillai (02:29:42 PM): as if it is 0 and 100..
bala2pillai (02:29:46 PM): or 10 and 90..
bala2pillai (02:29:54 PM): when it is closer to 50-50...
bala2pillai (02:30:00 PM): and for a lot of people..
bala2pillai (02:30:18 PM): who break the mental block and dip in..
bala2pillai (02:30:29 PM): once in, they won't go back to working for
someone.
bala2pillai (02:30:32 PM): the freedom.
bala2pillai (02:30:56 PM): the much greater freedom, makes the risk
worthwhile.
anbudan_anbu (02:31:05 PM): still the financial support needs to be there
for a start.......
bala2pillai (02:31:19 PM): sure..question is how much of it..
bala2pillai (02:31:37 PM): and where you are going to (i.e. how much basic
there is there)
bala2pillai (02:32:08 PM): and this is all so clouded because Tamils have so
much hang-ups discussing finance.
bala2pillai (02:32:16 PM): when that is a central issue.
bala2pillai (02:32:21 PM): so they live in ignorance :-)
bala2pillai (02:32:42 PM): discussing finance = how much u have in savings..
bala2pillai (02:32:49 PM): how much u need per mth..
bala2pillai (02:32:59 PM): therefore how many mths of living costs do u
have..
bala2pillai (02:33:04 PM): do u have any equity..
bala2pillai (02:33:14 PM): ok then to the alternative..
bala2pillai (02:33:22 PM): how much will you get minimum..
bala2pillai (02:33:33 PM): how long of a gestation period in the middle
case?
bala2pillai (02:33:45 PM): how long of a gestation period in the best case?
bala2pillai (02:33:48 PM): etc.
bala2pillai (02:34:04 PM): Even the words are not commonly used in the
vocab.
bala2pillai (02:34:14 PM): so it is all lumped in the head :-)
bala2pillai (02:34:37 PM): and when things are lumped, we get 1) emotional
and 2) we go to the temple or 3) we booze :-)
bala2pillai (02:34:59 PM): Many do I mean :-)
bala2pillai (02:35:25 PM): brb.
anbudan_anbu (02:36:02 PM): ok
bala2pillai (02:42:27 PM): back
anbudan_anbu (02:43:44 PM): getting salary for fixed time of work is what
generally everyone does
anbudan_anbu (02:44:13 PM): I'm not different
bala2pillai (02:44:14 PM): Yes..and that is destroying Tamilness.
bala2pillai (02:44:19 PM): without them knowing it.
bala2pillai (02:44:33 PM): because without risk, there is no innovation.
bala2pillai (02:44:54 PM): without innovation, there is no growth.
bala2pillai (02:45:11 PM): without growth, there is no replacement of the
dead.
anbudan_anbu (02:45:18 PM): Many times tried to some kinda business of my
own , the risk involved made me to stick to work as usual
bala2pillai (02:45:48 PM): That's understandable..the systemic risk in
TN/India was too high..
anbudan_anbu (02:46:24 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (02:46:27 PM): because of the neo-socialist oligarchic system
combined with masked fascism :-)
bala2pillai (02:46:49 PM): and that is what we are changing with Tamildom -
reduce by many folds the systemic risk.
anbudan_anbu (02:46:54 PM): O:-)
bala2pillai (02:47:44 PM): foster innovation :-)
anbudan_anbu (02:48:47 PM): no idea where to start
bala2pillai (02:48:54 PM): and reduce the risk by 1) training lots more
people in various risk-containment/analysis and reduction acumen.
bala2pillai (02:49:16 PM): Well..first thing is identify what your passions
are.
bala2pillai (02:49:30 PM): I can sense that two of them is..
bala2pillai (02:49:46 PM): Open Source and Tamil society
bala2pillai (02:49:52 PM): super :-)
bala2pillai (02:49:57 PM): am I right?
anbudan_anbu (02:50:31 PM): in my case as I said earlier I planned to bundle
medical related s/w with Linux
bala2pillai (02:51:01 PM): ok..the medical part is cos of what u see as an
opportunity - don't rush into that stage of the analysis yet :-)
anbudan_anbu (02:51:13 PM): This is line with popularising Tamil in IT
related fields
anbudan_anbu (02:51:25 PM): The one u said is 100% right
bala2pillai (02:51:50 PM): ok..if that is the case, stop at that stage and
leave it open for a while :-).
anbudan_anbu (02:51:57 PM): really superb!!!
bala2pillai (02:52:07 PM): Ok..now..
bala2pillai (02:52:30 PM): do you have a role model self-employed?
bala2pillai (02:53:05 PM): meaning is there someone you know of whose
self-employed status you fancy?
bala2pillai (02:53:29 PM): if u don't have one..find one :-)
bala2pillai (02:53:37 PM): never mind if they have warts and farts..
bala2pillai (02:54:00 PM): find the best you can and figure out the
ingredients they have.
bala2pillai (02:54:07 PM): that you don't.
anbudan_anbu (02:54:20 PM): yeah my friends are there , one is a big guy ,
called many times to be a partner in CAD/CAM related area
bala2pillai (02:54:33 PM): so you have to obtain those ingredients by
self-learning or by teaming with others who have it.
bala2pillai (02:54:57 PM): ok..how come you havn't joined him?
anbudan_anbu (02:55:34 PM): even he was insisting me in getting IT
professionals as I had many contacts, so that he thought I can have a fair
share on my part
bala2pillai (02:55:59 PM): and?
bala2pillai (02:56:42 PM): continue writing..brb.
anbudan_anbu (02:57:00 PM): The real problem is I dont really like in
handling people that too this IT market being so volatile i dont want to be
blamed by others ( the risk involved in getting abad name):-)
bala2pillai (03:02:36 PM): well..then work with risk-takers.
bala2pillai (03:02:59 PM): and appreciate those who take risks and the
mistakes that come with that territory
anbudan_anbu (03:05:14 PM): familynu onnu irukeee
bala2pillai (03:05:36 PM): sure..you are not the only one :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:05:45 PM): have to compromise on certain things
bala2pillai (03:05:49 PM): 95% do.
bala2pillai (03:06:07 PM): Bharati Dhasan..nearly everybody.
bala2pillai (03:06:14 PM): don't use that as a crutch.
bala2pillai (03:06:23 PM): again see if for it is..
anbudan_anbu (03:06:29 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (03:06:34 PM): if you cannot take risks cos of family..
bala2pillai (03:06:51 PM): then be satisfied with lesser achievements,
lesser money (still can be a lot)..
bala2pillai (03:07:03 PM): and importantly teaming with a risk-taker.
bala2pillai (03:07:10 PM): and accomodating his/her ways.
bala2pillai (03:07:25 PM): cos he would be dealing with his family etc etc.
bala2pillai (03:07:46 PM): there is always an exchange like.
bala2pillai (03:08:07 PM): 2 sides to a coin; every action has a reaction;
every inaction has a reaction :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:09:51 PM): not only family........... relatives and the
period we try to show ourselves as the aciever will make a lot of difference
anbudan_anbu (03:10:10 PM): I understand
bala2pillai (03:10:38 PM): well..yes..you can live for yourself and family
or for your relatives etc too.
bala2pillai (03:10:41 PM): up to you :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:12:06 PM): I have to take some time to think and decide
bala2pillai (03:12:30 PM): sure..do a Ben Franklin balance sheet.
bala2pillai (03:12:50 PM): crystallise the pluses and minuses and the
expected values right in front of you.
anbudan_anbu (03:13:56 PM): for me I guess its not so easy to put +s and -s
:-)
bala2pillai (03:14:20 PM): work with someone.
bala2pillai (03:14:34 PM): if you have health problems you see a doctor.
bala2pillai (03:14:47 PM): if u have legal problems you see a lawyer.
bala2pillai (03:15:34 PM): if you have career-life issues, see a career-life
counsellor.
bala2pillai (03:15:38 PM): Simple :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:16:25 PM): not so simple if I go back to chennai
bala2pillai (03:16:45 PM): you have the Net..I am one!
anbudan_anbu (03:17:36 PM): will be spending time with family for a paid
holiday or vacation , then will be hanging around friends and then will be
looking for better projects or other new career oppurtunities
bala2pillai (03:17:57 PM): ok..good.
anbudan_anbu (03:18:00 PM): you have the Net..I am one! .........? I dont
get you
bala2pillai (03:19:03 PM): I mentioned get counsel from a career-life
counsellor and u replied "not that simple in TN"..and I am saying why not?
Why not use the Net to reach me?
anbudan_anbu (03:20:23 PM): Oh OK
anbudan_anbu (03:21:01 PM): but that too bcomes costly as we have to pay
phone charges but not that costly in Net cafes
anbudan_anbu (03:24:41 PM): any New year resolutions or target?
bala2pillai (03:26:11 PM): Hmmm...what a picharkaaran attitude!! :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:26:28 PM): ???
bala2pillai (03:26:31 PM): (that Net access is costly to access my expensive
trained mind) :-)
bala2pillai (03:26:38 PM): pardon the harshness..
bala2pillai (03:26:45 PM): but you must think about this one.
bala2pillai (03:27:03 PM): How would you feel if you spent lots and lots and
lots of money becoming good at what you do..
bala2pillai (03:27:12 PM): and one of your prospective customers..
bala2pillai (03:27:21 PM): said it is too costly to reach you?
bala2pillai (03:27:33 PM): reach your mind?
bala2pillai (03:27:37 PM): what would you think of him?
bala2pillai (03:27:46 PM): I mean people fly to see people
bala2pillai (03:27:57 PM): People pay for people to fly.
bala2pillai (03:28:08 PM): People pay for much lesser people to fly :-)
bala2pillai (03:28:12 PM): you get my point?
anbudan_anbu (03:28:15 PM): thats right
bala2pillai (03:28:24 PM): sorry for being harsh..
bala2pillai (03:28:34 PM): needed to get the point across clearly :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:28:35 PM): but for ordinary Tamilan!!!
bala2pillai (03:28:41 PM): doesn't matter.
anbudan_anbu (03:28:47 PM): u r right
bala2pillai (03:28:51 PM): that is why he will remain an ordinary Tamil
anbudan_anbu (03:28:56 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (03:29:01 PM): and that is why I can screw him without him
knowing it..
bala2pillai (03:29:11 PM): (I didn't have to explain this to you)
anbudan_anbu (03:29:22 PM): all said and done , its all well known fact
anbudan_anbu (03:29:26 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (03:29:28 PM): and that is why only a small small percentage
become rich and high up.
anbudan_anbu (03:29:37 PM): true
bala2pillai (03:30:06 PM): because they know how to ask the question "what
does it cost me if I DON't spend the Net access charges"
bala2pillai (03:30:16 PM): to access the wisdom?\
bala2pillai (03:30:24 PM): how much will that COST me?
bala2pillai (03:30:35 PM): the smart ones ask themselves this corollary
question..
bala2pillai (03:30:49 PM): and then arrive at a balanced conclusion.
anbudan_anbu (03:31:09 PM): having been born and broughtup in Tamilnadu, I'm
expressing not my point alone, I'm generalizing in a public ordinary laymans
view
bala2pillai (03:31:11 PM): the majority stupid find the "appears cheap but
very expensive" solution.
bala2pillai (03:31:49 PM): I know..and that is why Tamilnadu is how
Tamilnadu is..why there are not enough jobs there for Tamils..why so many
have to go overseas..
bala2pillai (03:32:00 PM): why Tamil is going downhill.
bala2pillai (03:32:08 PM): and you want it to continue?
bala2pillai (03:32:22 PM): or do you want to find the strength to reason...
bala2pillai (03:32:36 PM): and find the way to have reason prevail more?
bala2pillai (03:32:56 PM): I mean why was TN richer than the US 300 years
ago..
bala2pillai (03:33:05 PM): but so much poorer than the US now?
bala2pillai (03:33:27 PM): don't you think the poverty of a society impacts
its language and its culture?
bala2pillai (03:33:45 PM): why? ask this question. :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:33:54 PM): already affected a lot
anbudan_anbu (03:34:26 PM): politics has made all possible destruction to
lang and its culture
bala2pillai (03:34:46 PM): ok agreed.
bala2pillai (03:35:01 PM): why aren't better leaders coming forward?
anbudan_anbu (03:35:01 PM): no more destruction can be made
bala2pillai (03:35:31 PM): have you heard of "the people deserve the leaders
they get" ?
anbudan_anbu (03:35:31 PM): its already too rotten, nobody ever wanted to
dip in it
bala2pillai (03:36:03 PM): ok..knowing history what happens in these
situations over tens and hundreds of years?
bala2pillai (03:36:15 PM): if you extrapolate?
bala2pillai (03:36:25 PM): brb.
anbudan_anbu (03:36:41 PM): I have a good contacts with all my friends and
many times we felt like involving in politics , but backtracked fearing if
we too involve in the same tradition of plitics
bala2pillai (03:37:05 PM): ok..when will u be in TN?
bala2pillai (03:37:18 PM): we will talk there - I am going to be there for a
good while..
bala2pillai (03:37:31 PM): 6 mths on and off maybe more.
anbudan_anbu (03:37:32 PM): sure
anbudan_anbu (03:38:05 PM): date is not finalised as GE expects some
transition period have to knowledge transfer to new guys
anbudan_anbu (03:38:17 PM): but any how my visa ends in feb
bala2pillai (03:38:26 PM): I see. ok.
bala2pillai (03:38:28 PM): brb.
anbudan_anbu (03:38:36 PM): ok
bala2pillai (03:42:47 PM): ok
anbudan_anbu (03:44:37 PM): enna appa appa poidreenga
anbudan_anbu (03:44:54 PM): peediyaa?
anbudan_anbu (03:44:58 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (03:45:00 PM): oh go out for smokes..
bala2pillai (03:45:06 PM): and phone call
anbudan_anbu (03:45:10 PM): ok
anbudan_anbu (03:45:35 PM): I was really wondering how do u manage ur time?
bala2pillai (03:45:47 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (03:45:53 PM): Risk-taking :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:46:01 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (03:46:04 PM): and taming the wild horse called money :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:46:20 PM): neenga tamilnaatla irunthaa ippadi risk
edupeengala?
bala2pillai (03:46:25 PM): actually the mind's misperception of money.
bala2pillai (03:46:34 PM): Nichayam.
anbudan_anbu (03:46:39 PM): :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:46:52 PM): great to hear that
bala2pillai (03:46:53 PM): muthal Thamilnaatulaerunthu engaeyoe velioorku..
bala2pillai (03:46:58 PM): poyiruppaen..
bala2pillai (03:47:13 PM): appuram thiruppi vanthu seivaen.
bala2pillai (03:47:55 PM): athaavathu vaalkaiyil valara valara..vaakaiyin
mukkiyamaana visayangalukku pathil thaedee pathilai..
bala2pillai (03:48:01 PM): implement pannuvaen :-)
bala2pillai (03:48:07 PM): that's my nature :-)
bala2pillai (03:48:19 PM): must learn
bala2pillai (03:48:24 PM): must implement.
anbudan_anbu (03:48:37 PM): and must survive
bala2pillai (03:48:40 PM): everything else is secondary.
bala2pillai (03:48:47 PM): No - I passed that a long time ago.
bala2pillai (03:48:53 PM): that is a mind problem
anbudan_anbu (03:49:39 PM): right
bala2pillai (03:49:53 PM): very easy solution for it.
bala2pillai (03:50:04 PM): takes years to find the strength.
anbudan_anbu (03:50:07 PM): where can I expect to meet u in chennai or in
Tamilnadu?
bala2pillai (03:50:13 PM): and one minute to switch it on.
bala2pillai (03:50:42 PM): I''ll be there early Jan onwards for a
mth..Chennai mainly..
bala2pillai (03:50:48 PM): and elsewhere too.
anbudan_anbu (03:52:08 PM): how do i reach you?
bala2pillai (03:52:42 PM): ok - get hold of Aravindan's details
anbudan_anbu (03:52:49 PM): OK
bala2pillai (03:52:52 PM): phone number etc
anbudan_anbu (03:52:56 PM): ok
bala2pillai (03:52:57 PM): and I will be on email too..
bala2pillai (03:53:12 PM): and email Erumbugal of your movements
anbudan_anbu (03:53:20 PM): sure
anbudan_anbu (03:53:31 PM): I thought first to let u know
anbudan_anbu (03:53:52 PM): just yesterday we were informed
bala2pillai (03:53:55 PM): ok.
bala2pillai (03:53:59 PM): thanks.
bala2pillai (03:54:13 PM): so what does this mean?
anbudan_anbu (03:54:19 PM): ????
anbudan_anbu (03:54:25 PM): which one
bala2pillai (03:54:28 PM): will u be taking care of the server?
anbudan_anbu (03:55:34 PM): not so really for a couple of months until I
find some place to settle myself somewhere.
anbudan_anbu (03:55:38 PM): I would like tooo
anbudan_anbu (03:55:49 PM): but time is not favorable
bala2pillai (03:56:06 PM): I see..ok - next time pls be clear :-)
anbudan_anbu (03:56:09 PM): I didnt expect this change all of a sudden
bala2pillai (03:56:13 PM): it is ok.
bala2pillai (03:56:19 PM): just be clear - baton-passing.
anbudan_anbu (03:56:32 PM): baton-passing ?
bala2pillai (03:56:32 PM): the worst is cloudiness.
bala2pillai (03:56:40 PM): oh Godd
bala2pillai (03:56:50 PM): coordination
bala2pillai (03:56:55 PM): responsibility
bala2pillai (03:57:26 PM): don't u understand? when you change jobs you do a
proper hand-over..no?
bala2pillai (03:57:40 PM): you make sure that the new guy knows what to do..
bala2pillai (03:57:47 PM): you pass over what is learnt etc?
anbudan_anbu (03:58:13 PM): I would like to know if I can be useful working
with chennai erumbugals
bala2pillai (03:58:22 PM): ok try doing that.
bala2pillai (03:58:28 PM): Please do a handover
bala2pillai (03:58:36 PM): the best or worst you can.
bala2pillai (03:58:43 PM): the worst worst is to ignore.
bala2pillai (03:59:05 PM): face issues straight on please.
anbudan_anbu (03:59:22 PM): knowledge sharing can always be done(which I;m
really good at and well known for that) , if I know who is the right person
anbudan_anbu (04:00:05 PM): I dont think I can do the worst, so dont worry
anbudan_anbu (04:01:00 PM): since we are facing peoples virtullay , its hard
to get things done
bala2pillai (04:01:03 PM): hand it over to the imaginary next person - write
out what u know/what is required and send it to Erumbugal.
anbudan_anbu (04:01:15 PM): alright
bala2pillai (04:01:21 PM): so prospective Erumbugal know what is required.
anbudan_anbu (04:01:25 PM): I'll do that from office tommorow
bala2pillai (04:01:32 PM): ok thanks.
anbudan_anbu (04:02:31 PM): Bala I never used to say thanks among friends,
so I expect u too dont have too!!!
anbudan_anbu (04:02:46 PM): if its hard , just ignore that
anbudan_anbu (04:03:00 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (04:03:06 PM): no - it is a good practise :-)
bala2pillai (04:03:22 PM): it is yet another Sangam age practise we must
bring back.
anbudan_anbu (04:03:30 PM): but not used too
bala2pillai (04:03:33 PM): you know how often you will hear a Tamil...
anbudan_anbu (04:03:43 PM): never heard
anbudan_anbu (04:03:57 PM): the culture I'm brought up
bala2pillai (04:03:59 PM): who will say "naan enna enna laa senjaen..avan
oru Thanks kooda sollula" in times of strife.
anbudan_anbu (04:04:01 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (04:04:17 PM): the test of a culture's strength...
anbudan_anbu (04:04:18 PM): thats urban attitude
bala2pillai (04:04:20 PM): is not in good times..
bala2pillai (04:04:29 PM): is how they deal tough times..disputes.
anbudan_anbu (04:04:34 PM): rural attitude is different
bala2pillai (04:04:35 PM): how emotional they get..
bala2pillai (04:04:51 PM): or how smartly they resolve differences.
anbudan_anbu (04:04:58 PM): in fact thats true
bala2pillai (04:05:26 PM): anyway..on balance I have found "thanks" is a
good habit.
anbudan_anbu (04:05:32 PM): no problem
bala2pillai (04:05:49 PM): Yes, I too was brought up with this ""don''t say
thanks between friends" dancing :-)
anbudan_anbu (04:05:56 PM): :-)
bala2pillai (04:06:15 PM): at the end of the day..we must find the best mix
of habits..
bala2pillai (04:06:24 PM): so our culture thrives.
bala2pillai (04:06:33 PM): for example..
bala2pillai (04:06:44 PM): people must have money to hand out to efforts
like Thamil Innaiyam..
bala2pillai (04:06:51 PM): without thinking twice about it.
bala2pillai (04:06:59 PM): that would have happened in the Sangam ages..
bala2pillai (04:07:05 PM): and it happens with the whites now.
bala2pillai (04:07:17 PM): and see the linkages between them.
anbudan_anbu (04:07:40 PM): nowadays who cares about those things, common
man have 1000s of problems
anbudan_anbu (04:07:55 PM): all have bcome self contained
bala2pillai (04:07:59 PM): ok - I care.
bala2pillai (04:08:06 PM): cos I care for my grandchildren.
bala2pillai (04:08:11 PM): I care cos I like caring
anbudan_anbu (04:08:11 PM): not bothered about surroundings, society
bala2pillai (04:08:15 PM): I feel good caring.
bala2pillai (04:08:26 PM): and I am detached about whether others care or
not.
anbudan_anbu (04:08:29 PM): there are few like u
bala2pillai (04:08:40 PM): Yes..but it is becoming infectious.
bala2pillai (04:08:49 PM): ok - I gotta run..so ttyl.
anbudan_anbu (04:08:58 PM): OK
anbudan_anbu (04:09:02 PM): goodnight
bala2pillai (04:09:08 PM): bye :-)
anbudan_anbu (04:09:12 PM): Bye
