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Dear Sri. LS and the list,
I'm attaching an old message from this list,
may be you find it of some interest.
Regards,
N. Ganesan
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agathiyar/message/1643
--- In agathiyar@y..., "Nagamanickam Ganesan"
wrote:
Dear Chandra,
Greetings.
I can write on many tamil.net & agathiyar mails.
en ceyya?? nErak kuRai tAn2 :-(
I want to give a Chola booklist to Bala Pillai
and write on history of Tamils in Eelam (a reply to
Kumarabharathy) - At least this much, I will do.
Yes, irungOvEL piLLai is a remnant of sangam names.
See civakaLai mu. cuppaiyA, nan2kuDi vELALar varalARu,
1970s book. (I have it in my home in Tamilnadu)
The kOTTai piLLaimAr of SrivaikuNTam - an exclusive
community where women never come out of the fort;
They are non-vegetarians unlike the Saiva Vellalas
of Tirunelveli. Though KOTTai piLLaimAr have largely
merged into Nellai Pillais, their origins are different.
I have a book on them an old kOvai - cezhukaith thanjak kOvai
(Got from British library). A person, Thiru. P. Ramanathan
studied from M.D.T. Hindu college, Nellai he was a high
Govt official in Madras (Now retired and living in Tambaram)
Soon after college, he published a paper in 1970s
about irungOvEL heritage in Bulletin of the School of
Oriental and African studies, (called among scholars as
BSOAS), Univ. of London. I will give that paper's info.
You can get it xeroxed thru' a nearby college library
(Interlibrary loan).
In Tirunelveli district manual done by a British collector,
he gave a folk etymology for irungovEL piLLai.
Evidently from a folk story he heard.
A king told the wandering Pillais as "irungo! piLLai!".
Hence, "irungo pillai" name :-) :-)
I am sure people like Dr. Jayabarathi will agree with me that
it is too bad that India discontinued producing
Distict manuals after the British. They are veritable
storehouses of info. (we retain only the bad aspects!)
More later,
N. Ganesan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Periannan Chandrasekaran [mailto:perichandra@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:42 PM
> To: agathiyar@e...
> Subject: [agathiyar] Is the name "irungkO vEL" still used?
>
>
>
>
> நாளது வலையத் தினமணியின் வீரமரண மடைந்த தூத்துக்குடித் தமிழக வீரர் ஒருவரின் பெயர்
> "ருங்கோவளை" என்று குறிப்பிடப் பெற்றுள்ளது.
> [அவருக்கு எம் வணக்கங்களும் நன்றியும் உரியனவாகுக].
>
> அப்பெயர் சங்கக் கால வேளிர் ஒருவன் பெயரான "ருங்கோவேள்" என்னும்
> பெயரிலிருந்து தோன்றியதா?
>
மன்னிக்க.. அவ்வீரர் பெயர் "அருணாசலம்". அவர் உறவினர் பெயர்தான் "இருங்கோவேள் பிள்ளை"
என்பது.
சுட்டி: http://www.xpres-net.com/dinamani/tn/tn.htm#3
பெ.சந்திரசேகரன்.
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--- In agathiyar@y..., "lsrinivas"
--- In agathiyar@y..., "naga_ganesan"
Dr Ganesan,
A small comment which I hope you find relevant under the
circumstances.
I feel the name of the village itself might have other more simple
explanations. irukkuvELUr might well have been the original name.
This would mean that it was the village of the irukkuvEL's. Refer in
this connection puRanAnURu 201 (addressed to iruGkOvEL) and the
commentary by Late Auvai Duraisami PiLLai (Kazhagam edition).
Although it's not clear where iruGkOvEL ruled, the commentary clearly
says that the descendants of iruGkOvEL were also refered to as
irukkuvEL in later times and were to be found in many parts of
Tamilnadu incl Pudukkottai. The prefix puL will have to be considered
unexplained at present or that it was added by the mythmakers to
produce a coherent story.
As a parallel, one may remark that the prefix "kuTa" meaning west
in Tamil toponyms has always been translated by temple tradition to
mean 'pot' or 'curved/bent', the more common meanings. Thus kuTantai
becomes 'kumbhakonam' with the appropriate mythology of the
piraLayam. So does Kodavasal ("kuTavAyil" where kaNaikkAL irumpoRai
was imprisoned) nearby. Thus the temple there is known as Koneswaram
and the Siva as Konanathan. But the stalapuranam for Kodavasal
utilizes the other meaning of "pot"
QUOTE
Shiva is said to have appeared out of a pot (Kudam) and relieved
Drinabindu Munivar of his leprosy. It is believed that when the great
deluge submerged the earth, Vishnu remained afloat in an earthen
vessel that stretched from Kodavasal to Kumbhakonam. It is also
believed that a part of the celestial nectar Amritam dropped here;
hence a bath in the temple tank here is considered sacred (mandatory
by some) during the Mahamagam festival at Kumbhakonam.
UNQUOTE
Hope this helps,
Lakshmi Srinivas
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