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முனைவர் கணேசன்:
இளமைக்காலத்தில் திருவைகுண்டத்தில் இருந்திருக்கிறேன். அந்தப் பெரிய மண்கோட்டை
எப்போதுமே எனக்கு ஆச்சரியம்தான். பெண்கள் உள்ளே சிறையிருந்தார்கள். ஆண்கள் வெளியே
வருவார்கள்.
கோட்டைக்குள் மறைத்துவைக்கப்பட்டிருக்கிறார்கள் என்பதாலேயே அப்பெண்கள் பேரெழில் படைத்த
தேவதைகளாக இருப்பார்கள் என்ற சுவையான ஊகம் எனக்கு எப்போதும். அதெல்லாம் இல்லை
என்பார்கள் மற்றவர்கள்.
இப்போது கோட்டை இல்லை என அறிகிறேன். கோட்டையும் அதனுடன் சேர்ந்த நம்பிக்கைகளும்
தகர்க்கப்பட்டனவா? யாரால், எப்போது?
அன்புடன்
மதுரபாரதி
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 naga_ganesan wrote :
>
>Dear Sri. LS and the list,
>
>I'm attaching an old message from this list,
>may be you find it of some interest.
>
>Regards,
>N. Ganesan
>
>-----------------------
>
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agathiyar/message/1643
>--- In agathiyar@y..., "Nagamanickam Ganesan"
>
>wrote:
>
>Dear Chandra,
>
>Greetings.
>
>I can write on many tamil.net & agathiyar mails.
>en ceyya?? nErak kuRai tAn2 :-(
>I want to give a Chola booklist to Bala Pillai
>and write on history of Tamils in Eelam (a reply to
>Kumarabharathy) - At least this much, I will do.
>
>Yes, irungOvEL piLLai is a remnant of sangam names.
>See civakaLai mu. cuppaiyA, nan2kuDi vELALar varalARu,
>1970s book. (I have it in my home in Tamilnadu)
>
>The kOTTai piLLaimAr of SrivaikuNTam - an exclusive
>community where women never come out of the fort;
>They are non-vegetarians unlike the Saiva Vellalas
>of Tirunelveli. Though KOTTai piLLaimAr have largely
>merged into Nellai Pillais, their origins are different.
>
>I have a book on them an old kOvai - cezhukaith thanjak kOvai
>(Got from British library). A person, Thiru. P. Ramanathan
>studied from M.D.T. Hindu college, Nellai he was a high
>Govt official in Madras (Now retired and living in Tambaram)
>
>Soon after college, he published a paper in 1970s
>about irungOvEL heritage in Bulletin of the School of
>Oriental and African studies, (called among scholars as
>BSOAS), Univ. of London. I will give that paper's info.
>You can get it xeroxed thru' a nearby college library
>(Interlibrary loan).
>
>In Tirunelveli district manual done by a British collector,
>he gave a folk etymology for irungovEL piLLai.
>Evidently from a folk story he heard.
>A king told the wandering Pillais as "irungo! piLLai!".
>Hence, "irungo pillai" name :-) :-)
>
>I am sure people like Dr. Jayabarathi will agree with me that
>it is too bad that India discontinued producing
>Distict manuals after the British. They are veritable
>storehouses of info. (we retain only the bad aspects!)
>
>More later,
>N. Ganesan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Periannan Chandrasekaran [mailto:perichandra@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:42 PM
> > To: agathiyar@e...
> > Subject: [agathiyar] Is the name "irungkO vEL" still used?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > நாளது வலையத் தினமணியின் வீரமரண மடைந்த தூத்துக்குடித் தமிழக வீரர் ஒருவரின்
>பெயர்
> > "ருங்கோவளை" என்று குறிப்பிடப் பெற்றுள்ளது.
> > [அவருக்கு எம் வணக்கங்களும் நன்றியும் உரியனவாகுக].
> >
> > அப்பெயர் சங்கக் கால வேளிர் ஒருவன் பெயரான "ருங்கோவேள்" என்னும்
> > பெயரிலிருந்து தோன்றியதா?
> >
>
>மன்னிக்க.. அவ்வீரர் பெயர் "அருணாசலம்". அவர் உறவினர் பெயர்தான் "இருங்கோவேள்
>பிள்ளை"
>என்பது.
>சுட்டி: http://www.xpres-net.com/dinamani/tn/tn.htm#3
>
>பெ.சந்திரசேகரன்.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>--- In agathiyar@y..., "lsrinivas"
>--- In agathiyar@y..., "naga_ganesan"
>wrote:
>Dr Ganesan,
>
> A small comment which I hope you find relevant under the
>circumstances.
>
> I feel the name of the village itself might have other more
>simple
>explanations. irukkuvELUr might well have been the original
>name.
>This would mean that it was the village of the irukkuvEL's. Refer
>in
>this connection puRanAnURu 201 (addressed to iruGkOvEL) and
>the
>commentary by Late Auvai Duraisami PiLLai (Kazhagam edition).
>Although it's not clear where iruGkOvEL ruled, the commentary
>clearly
>says that the descendants of iruGkOvEL were also refered to as
>irukkuvEL in later times and were to be found in many parts of
>Tamilnadu incl Pudukkottai. The prefix puL will have to be
>considered
>unexplained at present or that it was added by the mythmakers
>to
>produce a coherent story.
>
> As a parallel, one may remark that the prefix "kuTa" meaning
>west
>in Tamil toponyms has always been translated by temple tradition
>to
>mean 'pot' or 'curved/bent', the more common meanings. Thus
>kuTantai
>becomes 'kumbhakonam' with the appropriate mythology of the
>piraLayam. So does Kodavasal ("kuTavAyil" where kaNaikkAL
>irumpoRai
>was imprisoned) nearby. Thus the temple there is known as
>Koneswaram
>and the Siva as Konanathan. But the stalapuranam for Kodavasal
>utilizes the other meaning of "pot"
>
>QUOTE
>Shiva is said to have appeared out of a pot (Kudam) and
>relieved
>Drinabindu Munivar of his leprosy. It is believed that when the
>great
>deluge submerged the earth, Vishnu remained afloat in an
>earthen
>vessel that stretched from Kodavasal to Kumbhakonam. It is also
>believed that a part of the celestial nectar Amritam dropped
>here;
>hence a bath in the temple tank here is considered sacred
>(mandatory
>by some) during the Mahamagam festival at Kumbhakonam.
>UNQUOTE
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Lakshmi Srinivas
>--- End forwarded message ---
>
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