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<BR>Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:23:37 -0000
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<BR>Subject: Re: Thirumandhiram poem
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<BR>Outwardly they look different:
<BR>
<BR>Merriem-Webster:
<BR>cast:
<BR>Etymology: Middle English, from Old Norse kasta; akin to Old Norse
<BR>kos heap
<BR>
<BR>links "cast" with Old Norse "kos" (heap) (tamil kuviyal etc.,)
<BR>
<BR>To this meaning of "heap",
<BR>the original Portugese "casta" (today's caste) belongs.
<BR>
<BR>(around 1600)
<BR>By Burton:
<BR>"Two modes of men are known; the nobles know
<BR>the name of Nayrs, who call the lower Caste
<BR>Poleas, whom their haughty laws contain from intermingling with the 
<BR>higher strain."
<BR>
<BR>1563. -- "One thing is to be noted . . . that no one changes from his 
<BR>father's trade, and all those of the same caste (casta) of shoemakers 
<BR>are the same." -- Garcia, f. 213b.
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<BR>Regards,
<BR>N. Ganesan
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<BR>--- In agathiyar@y..., jaybee <jaybee@t...> wrote:
<BR>> At 12:13 PM 3/22/02 +0000, you wrote:
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Are they not the same? In old english, we write today's old 
<BR>> >as "olde". >cast away: segregation: caste
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Regards,
<BR>> >N. Ganesan
<BR>> 
<BR>> 
<BR>> They are not the same. 
<BR>> 
<BR>> 'Caste' is derived from the Latin word - 'castus' which 
<BR>> means 'unmixed, pure'. It passed into Portuguese as 'casta' - 
<BR>> which means 'breed, race'. 
<BR>> 	
<BR>> 'Cast' comes from Old Nordic word 'kasta' - which means 
<BR>> 'to throw'. 
<BR>> 
<BR>> Regards
<BR>> 
<BR>> JayBee
<BR>> 
<BR>
<BR>> >
<BR>> >--- In agathiyar@y..., Los Angeles Ram <ramnrom@y...> wrote:
<BR>> >> My dear JB,
<BR>> >> 
<BR>> >> A small typo has crept in in your email. It should be
<BR>> >> 'cast' and not caste, at the end. 
<BR>> >> 
<BR>> >> Just didn't want anyone to start another round of
<BR>> >> caste fights! ;-)
<BR>> >> 
<BR>> >> LA Ram
<BR>> >> 
<BR>> >> --- jaybee <jaybee@t...> wrote:
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > Dear Friends,
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > A translation of the Thirumandhiram poem that was 
<BR>> >> > cited by Java PNKumar, a few days ago.
<BR>> >> > From the Forumhub:
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > From: JayBee (@ glg-cache9.jaring.my) on: Thu Dec 23
<BR>> >> > 03:35:26 
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > Here's another beautiful one from
<BR>> >> > Thirumandhiram . 
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > ஊரெல்லாம் கூடி, உரக்க அழுதிட்டுப், 
<BR>> >> > பேரினை நீக்கிப் பிணமென்று பேரிட்டுச், 
<BR>> >> > சூரையங் காட்டிடைக் கொண்டுபோய்ச் சுட்டிட்டும் 
<BR>> >> > நீரினில் மூழ்கி, நினைப்பொழிந் தார்களே! 
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > After collectively wailing aloud in mourning , 
<BR>> >> > they removed the name and called it 'the
<BR>> >> > corpse'; 
<BR>> >> > they took it to the cremetorial ground and
<BR>> >> > burned it; 
<BR>> >> > having done it, they dipped themselves in the
<BR>> >> > water, 
<BR>> >> > and caste away all memories. 
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > Regards
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > JayBee
<BR>> >> > 
<BR>> >> > =========================================
<BR>> >
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