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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:15:30 +0800
Subject: Re: [agathiyar] Re: Thirumandhiram poem
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At 02:23 PM 3/22/02 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Outwardly they look different:
>
>Merriem-Webster:
>cast:
>Etymology: Middle English, from Old Norse kasta; akin to Old Norse
> kos heap
>
>links "cast" with Old Norse "kos" (heap) (tamil kuviyal etc.,)
>
>To this meaning of "heap",
>the original Portugese "casta" (today's caste) belongs.
>
>(around 1600)
>By Burton:
>"Two modes of men are known; the nobles know
>the name of Nayrs, who call the lower Caste
>Poleas, whom their haughty laws contain from intermingling with the
>higher strain."
>
>1563. -- "One thing is to be noted . . . that no one changes from his
>father's trade, and all those of the same caste (casta) of shoemakers
>are the same." -- Garcia, f. 213b.
>
>Regards,
>N. Ganesan
Your version is garbled.
Regards
JayBee
>
>
>--- In agathiyar@y..., jaybee
>> At 12:13 PM 3/22/02 +0000, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Are they not the same? In old english, we write today's old
>> >as "olde". >cast away: segregation: caste
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >N. Ganesan
>>
>>
>> They are not the same.
>>
>> 'Caste' is derived from the Latin word - 'castus' which
>> means 'unmixed, pure'. It passed into Portuguese as 'casta' -
>> which means 'breed, race'.
>>
>> 'Cast' comes from Old Nordic word 'kasta' - which means
>> 'to throw'.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> JayBee
>>
>
>> >
>> >--- In agathiyar@y..., Los Angeles Ram
>> >> My dear JB,
>> >>
>> >> A small typo has crept in in your email. It should be
>> >> 'cast' and not caste, at the end.
>> >>
>> >> Just didn't want anyone to start another round of
>> >> caste fights! ;-)
>> >>
>> >> LA Ram
>> >>
>> >> --- jaybee
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Friends,
>> >> >
>> >> > A translation of the Thirumandhiram poem that was
>> >> > cited by Java PNKumar, a few days ago.
>> >> > From the Forumhub:
>> >> >
>> >> > From: JayBee (@ glg-cache9.jaring.my) on: Thu Dec 23
>> >> > 03:35:26
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's another beautiful one from
>> >> > Thirumandhiram .
>> >> >
>> >> > ஊரெல்லாம் கூடி, உரக்க அழுதிட்டுப்,
>> >> > பேரினை நீக்கிப் பிணமென்று பேரிட்டுச்,
>> >> > சூரையங் காட்டிடைக் கொண்டுபோய்ச் சுட்டிட்டும்
>> >> > நீரினில் மூழ்கி, நினைப்பொழிந் தார்களே!
>> >> >
>> >> > After collectively wailing aloud in mourning ,
>> >> > they removed the name and called it 'the
>> >> > corpse';
>> >> > they took it to the cremetorial ground and
>> >> > burned it;
>> >> > having done it, they dipped themselves in the
>> >> > water,
>> >> > and caste away all memories.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > JayBee
>> >> >
>> >> > =========================================
>> >
>
>
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