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Subject: Re: Thirumandhiram poem
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--- In agathiyar@y..., Los Angeles Ram wrote:
> No. They are NOT to by used in a similar context.
> 'Old' and 'Olde' similarity does not apply here.
> 'Caste' is a noun and 'Cast' is a verb.
>

இந்த இழையில் தெளிவுபடுத்தின அனைவருக்கும் நன்றி.

My question is whether Portugese casta from which english
caste is born, and Old Norse kasta , (related to Old Norse
kos 'heap') are ultimately related.

தமிழில் எடுத்துக்கொள்ளுங்கள்: குப்பை, இது எறிந்து குவிப்பதால் தானே.
நெற்குப்பை = (நெல் குவியல்). தமிழில் குவியல், (தூர) எறிதல் ஒருவிதமாக
தொடர்பு படுத்தலாம். எனவே தான் போர்த்துகீசிய casta (unmixed,
pure. தமிழில் இது என்ன? குலம்??), & Old Norse kasta (english to cast away)
which is closely related with kos "heap" , the dictoinaries say.

எனவேதான்:
My question is whether Portugese casta from which english
caste is born, and Old Norse kasta , (related to Old Norse
kos 'heap') are ultimately related.

Do Old Norse kasta. and Portugese casta ultimately
have the same IE origin?

இன்னொன்று:
இசுலாமியர் நமாஸ் என்பதும், சமற்கிருதம் நமஸ்தே என்பதும்
ஒரே சொல் தான். ஒரே மூலம் தான். அதுபோல இருக்குமோ
என்று கேட்டேன். நமாஸ் அரபிச் சொல் அன்று, பாரசீகத்தில்
பெற்ற கடன். பண்டைப் பாரசீகரும், இந்திய-பாகிஸ்தானிய பண்டை ஆரியரும்
ஒரே மொழிக் குடும்ப மொழிகள் பேசுவோர்.

அன்புடன்,
நா. கணேசன்


> Please see the following:
>
> caste Pronunciation Key (kst) n.
>
> Any of the hereditary, endogamous social classes or
> subclasses of traditional Hindu society, stratified
> according to Hindu ritual purity, especially the
> Brahman, Kshatriya, Vaisya, and Sudra castes.
> A social class separated from others by distinctions
> of hereditary rank, profession, or wealth.
>
> A social system or the principle of grading society
> based on castes.
> The social position or status conferred by a system
> based on castes: lose caste by doing work beneath
> one's station.
> A specialized level in a colony of social insects,
> such as ants, in which the members, such as workers or
> soldiers, carry out a specific function.
>
> ***********************************************
>
> cast Pronunciation Key (kst) v.
>
> cast, castஃing, casts
> v. tr.
>
> To throw (something, especially something light): The
> angler cast the line.
> To throw with force; hurl: waves that cast driftwood
> far up on the shore. See Synonyms at throw.
> To shed; molt.
> To throw forth; drop: cast anchor.
> To throw on the ground, as in wrestling.
> To deposit or indicate (a ballot or vote).
> To turn or direct: All eyes were cast upon the
> speaker.
> To cause to fall onto or over something or in a
> certain direction, as if by throwing: candles casting
> light; cast aspersions on my character; findings that
> cast doubt on our hypothesis.
> To bestow; confer: "The government I cast upon my
> brother" (Shakespeare).
>
> To roll or throw (dice, for example).
> To draw (lots).
> To give birth to prematurely: The cow cast a calf.
> To cause (hunting hounds) to scatter and circle in
> search of a lost scent.
>
> To choose actors for (a play, for example).
> To assign a certain role to (an actor): cast her as
> the lead.
> To assign an actor to (a part): cast each role
> carefully.
> To form (liquid metal, for example) into a particular
> shape by pouring into a mold.
> To give a form to; arrange: decided to cast the book
> in three parts.
> To contrive; devise: cast a plan.
> To calculate or compute; add up (a column of figures).
>
> To calculate astrologically: cast my horoscope.
> To warp; twist: floorboards cast by age.
> Nautical. To turn (a ship); change to the opposite
> tack.
>
> Regards.
>
> Ram
>
>
>
> --- naga_ganesan wrote:
> >
> > Are they not the same? In old english, we write
> > today's old as "olde".
> > cast away: segregation: caste
> >
> > Regards,
> > N. Ganesan
> >
> > --- In agathiyar@y..., Los Angeles Ram
> > wrote:
> > > My dear JB,
> > >
> > > A small typo has crept in in your email. It should
> > be
> > > 'cast' and not caste, at the end.
> > >
> > > Just didn't want anyone to start another round of
> > > caste fights! ;-)
> > >
> > > LA Ram
> > >
> > > --- jaybee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > > A translation of the Thirumandhiram poem that
> > was
> > > > cited by Java PNKumar, a few days ago.
> > > > From the Forumhub:
> > > >
> > > > From: JayBee (@ glg-cache9.jaring.my) on: Thu
> > Dec 23
> > > > 03:35:26
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here's another beautiful one from
> > > > Thirumandhiram .
> > > >
> > > > ஊரெல்லாம் கூடி, உரக்க அழுதிட்டுப்,
> > > > பேரினை நீக்கிப் பிணமென்று பேரிட்டுச்,
> > > > சூரையங் காட்டிடைக் கொண்டுபோய்ச் சுட்டிட்டும்
> > > > நீரினில் மூழ்கி, நினைப்பொழிந் தார்களே!
> > > >
> > > > After collectively wailing aloud in
> > mourning ,
> > > > they removed the name and called it 'the
> > > > corpse';
> > > > they took it to the cremetorial ground and
> > > > burned it;
> > > > having done it, they dipped themselves in
> > the
> > > > water,
> > > > and caste away all memories.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > JayBee
> > > >
> > > > =========================================
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