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Subject: Re: [agathiyar] Re: [tamil araichchi] Search for Lost Vedas - by SSathia
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From: Krishnan Ramasamy
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At 10:58 AM 06/28/2002 Friday +0000, you wrote:
>Vedas have been orally transmitted, preserved and maintained from the
>beginnning. Diffferent brahmin castes in India have been historically
>engaged in this project. In fact, the raison d'etre of brahmins have
>been oral preservation of the vedas. Different brahmin clans in India
>have preserved different parts of vedas. The idea of oral
>preservation is to maintain the exact intonation as it was first
>composed thousands of years ago. Even a Witzel would agree that the
>present day chantings are as good as tape recording of when it was
>first composed
How do you know that the present day chantings are as good as it was first
composed? Who told you that? Was there a tape recording? How does Witzel
vouch for it? If this is true, then why do the the language construction
employed in Veda differs from that described by Panini in his Grammer? He
said that the language of his Grammer was called 'Chandasa'
When every other language in the world keeps changing, how do you say that
the Vedic language stayed the way as it was composed without any impact of
the persons who chanted? Is it so unique?
English as rendered today by an American and that by an Indian are not the
same. Their own native traditions do affect this English rendering. Even an
English rendering by a Convent educated Tamil and by a village Tamil are
bound to be different. Every one of us do render English differently. If
this process of distribution continues over hundreds of years, then Veda as
rendered in 1000 BC will not be the same as Vedha as rendered in 2002 AD.
This change is continous and ever present. Every oral rendering would get
changed over the years. Even Perum periyavar Sankaracharya Chandrasekara
Saraswathi has said that the old chantings have changed. He felt sad about
wrong rendering and change in meanings. Please read his "Theivathin Kural"
It is but human nature that over the years, oral renderings do change in
pronunciation and meaning. Veda is no exception. That is the reason,
writings/inscriptions were developed by mankind to preserve.
With regards,
iraamaki.
>But due to shifting sands of history, due to the ebb and flow of
>migrations, emigrations, conquests, foreign rule and sheer negligence
>many sections of brahmins have become extinct and with them whatever
>sections of vedas they were preserving. This has been especially so
>in the western and northern India. Between 11th and 16th centuries,
>Hinduism ceased to be a force in what is now Pakistan/Afghanistan
>with the large scale conversion, many times involuntary, into Islam.
>With it, much of the vedic tradition in those regions was lost and
>sections of vedas were lost to the rest of India.
>
>Only in the south, thanks to the patronage of local people and kings,
>and a far less intrusion into the politcal and cultural life by Turks
>and Persians, brahminical way of life and traditions survived to the
>present day by and large intact and in a purer form.
>
>But it must be remembered that there was no "Vedic clearing house"
>either at all India level or at south Indian level, so that we can
>know all the vedic branches which were/are alive and which can do
>some "load balancing" among brahmins. Each brahmin clan preserved one
>vedic part as a part of their tradition, by and large uninterested
>and unaware of what was being preserved in other areas. There was no
>co-operation or co-ordination even between Nambudiris and Tamil
>brahmins for centuries.
>
>Given that background, even now, one across new parts of vedas by
>some rural brahmin families, which were previously unheard of. In 96,
>a new section was found in some family in Kerala. Agnicayana ritual,
>which has been given up in northern India hundreds of years ago is
>still conducted in the south. The only way of discovering new
>sections is to carefully listen to all the religious rituals all over
>the country, these rituals may be public or private.
>
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